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The Yasso’s 800s are BACK!

My secret weapon during my self-created training plan for the 2011 Surf City Marathon was Yasso’s 800s. If you aren’t sure, Yasso’s 800s (called Yassos for short by me) are intervals created by Runner’s World’s Chief Running Officer Bart Yasso. He found that if he could complete 10 of these intervals at his goal marathon time with about 1/4 of rest (walk or jog) between, he could run the marathon that quickly. For example, if you want to run a 3:30 marathon, run your 800s in 3 minutes, 30 seconds.

I learned of this method back when I was part of the Vavi Running Club training for my first marathon. I only used this method a couple of times while training for that race but when I wanted to really improve my time for my 2nd marathon at Surf City 2012, I started running Yassos every week except for recovery week. I started in November (the race is the first weekend in February) with 4 intervals and worked my way up to 10. I ran all of the intervals in 3:50 or less, and ended up running a 3:49:26 marathon.

However, Mike also performed all 10 Yasso 800s at or better than his goal time of 3:20 (most were about 3:00) and he ran 3:18. He achieved his goal, but his Yassos times would have indicated he could have gone 3 hours. Needless to say, Yassos don’t always work and you can’t guarantee that just because you can do 10 at your desired pace that you will do that on race day.

Despite this, I really think that Yasso’s 800s are a great way to do speed-work. I think the reason I like them so much is because it’s not arbitrary. I dislike when workouts say to “run hard.” What does that really mean? Yassos provide  a specific goal pace for each interval so I know if the workout was a success or a failure. I also like the fact that each week or two I add one more interval on to the workout so I know that I’m  making progress. The first time I did 4 x 800 @ 3:50 I wasn’t sure how I could possibly do 10 at that speed, but eventually I worked my way up to it and it felt just about as difficult as the first time I did 4. Basically, Yassos satisfy my Type A need for progress tracking.

Since I’ve been following Pfitzinger’s 18/55 plan, I haven’t been doing Yasso’s because the first few phases of the plan do not include any “speed-work.” Instead, I’ve been doing fairly long tempo runs and runs with strides. The plan also includes long runs with a portion of the run at marathon race pace. Pftizinger believes that tempo runs are actually more beneficial that traditional speed-work, especially in the base building phase of a plan. However, now that there are only 8 weeks until race day, the plan is starting to incorporate speed-work. This week’s workout was 8 miles with 5 x 800 @ 5k pace. Since I have no idea what my 5k pace is now, I just decided to do this workout like a Yasso workout. I contemplated using my new Surf City goal time of about 3:42-45 for them, but then decided to go for it and just do them at my Boston Qualifying goal time of 3:30 (close enough to 3:35).

I went to the gym on Wednesday after work and battled the crowds for a spot on a treadmill. I decided beforehand that I’d just go for 7 miles since I was still getting back into things after my trip. After a 2 mile warm-up, I went into my first interval at a 6:57 min/mile. It was HARD but not impossible. I told myself I could change to the 3:45 goal time intervals instead if I got tired (that would be a 7:30 min/mile). The second interval was even harder than the first but I got through it. For the 3rd and 4th, I decreased the pace by 1 notch on the treadmill to 7:03 min/miles. Still hard but I survived. By the last interval, I was begging for mercy but was able to finish it! I had to briefly walk between intervals because I was so out of breath but then I increased it to a jog. Walking or no walking, I was proud of myself for running 2.5 miles of my 7 mile run at a 7 minute mile pace!

Pfitzinger’s plan has about 4 or 5 more interval workouts on the schedule and I plan to replace them with Yassos (the plan has some 600s, 1000s and 1200s). I don’t think I will make it to 10 at 3:30 before Surf City, but I would like to attempt 10 at 3:40 at least once before then to give myself confidence that I should go for the 3:42-45 goal (actual race goal TBD).

What type of speed-work do you typically do to improve your marathon or half marathon time?

Ramping Up for Marathon Rematch!

Finishing My First Marathon

I’m set to run my 2nd marathon, the Surf City Marathon, in less than 4 months. You wouldn’t know it from my blog entries since it hasn’t been the focus of my recent training. However, it’s now time to buckle down and set some training and race goals.

Since the last half marathon in August, I’ve been randomly getting runs in and haven’t really had a method to my madness. I knew that I could run the 6.2 miles required of me for the olympic distance triathlon in September and wasn’t too worried about the marathon looming in the what seemed to be very far future.

Well now it’s time to think about it.

Surf City Marathon Goals

One Day I'll Race Here!

As many marathoners before me, I’ve recently been overcome with “Boston Fever.” Obviously my recent 4:02 finish time isn’t going to get me there and this goal clearly conflicts with my primary goal of completing an Ironman in June. Therefore, I’m thinking long term, not short term.  Although a coveted BQ may not be awaiting me on February 4, I can at least start making a dent in the twenty seven minute gap I have to overcome to get to Marathon Monday. Not to mention, the Ironman will be less miserable if I can run faster.

Realistically with the Ironman occurring in June, 2012, I’m not going to qualify for Boston by September when registration opens for the 2013 race. Not only do I think I probably won’t be able to run that fast by then, I also don’t plan to put myself through the torture challenge of a marathon so soon after I mutilate my body at the Ironman. Therefore, the earliest I will be racing Boston is 2014, which means I have basically 1 year of racing (from September 2012- August 2013) to obtain BQ status.

So what are my goals for Surf City then? First and foremost, I want to go sub 4. A blogger I recently discovered used the motto “Sub4orDie.” I won’t go that far, since I know race day can bring plenty of obstacles that may prevent a sub 4 and I certainly don’t want to kill myself prior to the Ironman. I think my training buddies wouldn’t be too happy about that.

My second goal for Surf City is to go 3:50, which is a 8:47 minute mile for 26.2 miles. The current Boston Qualifier is 3:35 (previously 3:40), so a 3:50 will still put me a whole 15 minutes from my goal. BUT you have to start somewhere. Luckily I have a nifty little training tool called Yasso 800s that will help me get there.

Getting to My Goal

I’m quite a quantitative runner, if you haven’t figured it out already. I’m addicted to my Garmin and I love numbers. In the past, I’ve logged every training run in an Excel spreadsheet and I compare my pace overtime. I’m not one to “run by feel,” although I have found that I tend to go faster in (short distance) races this way. So needless to say, since picking up this hobby of running, I’ve done plenty of research on how to get faster and being crazy about tracking workouts and times will be useful in getting me there. Here are the main ways to drop time off your marathon:

  1. Speedwork
  2. Run long more often
  3. Run long runs at race pace

Starting it Off With Speedwork

If you run fast you will get faster. Seems simple right? Yet so many runners keep going out and doing their moderate/easy 5 mile runs each week thinking that they will get faster just by simply logging the time on their feet (my old running coach’s favorite words). Yes, you will slowly get faster, but you aren’t going to miraculously run a 8 min/mile for 26.2 miles without actually running a 8 minute mile.

While training for my first marathon, my running group coach had us do Yasso 800s. Basically, the theory is that if you can run ten 800s (1/2 mile) at your race goal time (i.e. run 800 in 3 minutes 50 seconds) with a recovery jog of equal time, then you run the marathon that fast. It sounds easier than it is. If you really think about it, 10 1/2 mile intervals would equal 5 miles of FAST running, plus of course a warm-up and equal length recovery jogs. Running 10 of these bad boys at 3:50 with 3:50 recovery is going to take me 1 hour 16 minutes and 40 seconds and that is not even including the warm-up. That’s a long interval workout.

Yesterday I got on the treadmill  with the goal of completing at least 4 Yasso 800s. After having done Insanity Pure Cardio & Cardio Abs that morning, my legs weren’t exactly fresh. And since we’re pretty far out from the marathon, I didn’t want to push it too hard. I calculated that since my goal time was 3:50 that I’d need to do my 1/2 mile intervals at a 7:40 pace. It didn’t sound too bad, especially since the first time we did Yasso’s I was doing them in 3:25-3:40 (although I can’t be sure that the coach measured the 1/2 mile perfectly). Here was my set (with a 1% incline to simulate outdoor running):

1 mile warm-up at 9:30 pace

4 x 800s at 7:40 pace

3 x 2:30-3:40 minute recovery jog at 9:30-10 pace

5 minute recovery jog

Overall, I ran 4.5 miles in just under 40 minutes. I was a little impatient during the recovery jogs at the beginning and cut them off short but by the last set I was happy to have nearly 4 minutes to recover. I’ve actually done longer steady-pace training runs at a faster pace than this, but this workout seemed much harder. I was sweating profusely and had to do some mental encouragement to get myself through the intervals.

This run reminded me that getting to my marathon goal isn’t going to be easy and I’m not going to get there by being comfortable. I need to set up a plan to do my Yassos 800s every week (except recovery week) up until the marathon. If I stick to this goal and make it to the 10 x 800 at 7:40 pace, I’m confident that I will break 4 hours and hopefully get close to my 3:50 goal. I plan to increase to 5×800 next week and perform each set twice before moving on to the next (i.e. two weeks of 5×800 before going to 6×800). I will skip my Yasso workout during recovery weeks to give my body a break. Going at this rate I should reach 10 x 800s by mid January, just in time for the taper.

As for the other two ways to get fast – Run Long More Often and Run Long Runs at Race Pace, those are for another blog entry. At this point I’m only up to 9 mile long runs, so these strategies are for another day.

Do you have any Get Fast strategies that you have found useful or want to try?